Passage

Daniel 8

Verses 1–14 WEB Voices

In the third year of Belshazzar a vision appears to Daniel, after that which appeared at the first. He sees in the vision: Susa the citadel, in Elam, at the Ulai canal. A ram with two horns, one higher and later, charging west, north, and south; he became great. A male goat from the west, without touching the ground; a notable horn between his eyes. He struck the ram, broke both horns, trampled him. The goat became exceedingly great; the great horn was broken; four notable horns toward the four winds. Out of one, a little horn, grew toward the south, the east, and the glorious land. It grew to the host of heaven; some of the army and of the stars thrown down. It became great as the prince of the army; the regular burnt offering taken away; the sanctuary overthrown. A host given over with the continual burnt offering because of transgression; truth thrown to the ground; it acted and prospered. A holy one: how long? Two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary will be restored to its rightful state.

Daniel 8:1

1In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar, a vision appeared to me, even to me, Daniel, after that which appeared to me at the first.

Arminian

In the third year of Belshazzar a vision appears to Daniel, after that which appeared at the first. Wesley: after that—in the other vision he speaks of all the four monarchies; here only of the three first; this vision being a comment upon the first.

Application: a named year, a second vision. Stay with the three: Medes and Persians, Greece, then the little horn. Common ground: this comments on what was already shown, not a chart of modern flags.

Reformed

Calvin: another vision, differing from the former as a part from the whole. God had shown four monarchies; now only two remain in view, because Babylon is about to fall. The chief object: to prepare the faithful to bear patiently the horrible tyranny of Antiochus.

God shows a part so the church will not faint when the sanctuary is hurt. Neither side disputes this: this comes after the first vision.

Daniel 8:2

2I saw the vision. Now it was so, that when I saw, I was in the citadel of Susa, which is in the province of Elam. I saw in the vision, and I was by the river Ulai.

Arminian

He sees in the vision: Susa the citadel, in Elam, at the Ulai canal. Wesley: the river of Ulai—which ran round the city.

A place in the vision, not a cue to invent a modern capital. Susa, Elam, Ulai. Daniel is shown, not relocated as a tourist.

Reformed

Calvin: he was in Shushan when he saw—caught up by the prophetic spirit, not dwelling in Persia as if he had left Babylon. By naming Belshazzar he shows he still dwelt under that power. The Ulai is the Eulaeus. The repetition adds certainty: not a vanishing specter.

Vision-place, not a private trip. Susa by the Ulai. God locates the ram where Persia will stand.

Daniel 8:3

3Then I lifted up my eyes and saw, and behold, a ram which had two horns stood before the river. The two horns were high, but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

Arminian

A ram on the bank of the canal; two horns, both high; one higher, and the higher came up last. Wesley: two horns—the kingdom of Media and Persia. And the higher—the kingdom of Persia which rose last, in Cyrus, became more eminent than that of the Medes.

For the hearer: two horns, not a modern map. Shared with Calvin: Medes and Persians, Persia later and higher.

Reformed

Calvin: the empire of Persia and Media under the image of a ram; two horns for two empires, not two persons, united under one sovereignty. The two horns were lofty; the Persian horn higher than the Median; it rose backwards—afterwards—so that Cyrus’s later horn obscured the former glory.

In practice: two empires, one ram. Media and Persia; the higher came last. This is history under God.

Daniel 8:4

4I saw the ram pushing westward, northward, and southward. No animals could stand before him. There wasn’t any who could deliver out of his hand, but he did according to his will, and magnified himself.

Arminian

The ram charges west, north, and south; no beast can stand; none can rescue; he does as he pleases and becomes great. Wesley: west-ward—toward Babylon, Syria, Cappadocia, Asia the less, and Greece, all westward from Media and Persia. North-ward—against the Armenians, Iberians, Lydians, Colchi Caspians. South-ward—against Ethiopia, Arabia, Egypt.

Directions from Media and Persia. The ram becomes great, still a creature.

Reformed

Calvin: the ram struck west, north, and south. The Persian and Median territory lay east of Babylon, Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, and Greece. This extends to Cyrus’s successors, who convulsed the world. No beasts stood before him; he did according to his pleasure and became mighty—formidable, not flawless in every campaign.

Greatness is still timed. West, north, south; none rescue. Not a modern flag-chart.

Daniel 8:5

5As I was considering, behold, a male goat came from the west over the surface of the whole earth, and didn’t touch the ground. The goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

Arminian

A male goat from the west over the whole earth, and didn’t touch the ground; a notable horn between his eyes. Wesley: an he-goat—the Grecian empire. The whole earth—the whole Persian empire. Touched not the ground—went with incredible swiftness. A horn—this was Alexander the great.

Greece, Alexander, swift. Shared with Calvin.

Reformed

Calvin: a he-goat from the west—Macedon relative to Persia—over the surface of the whole earth, yet he did not touch the ground: speed, not census. A remarkable horn between his eyes: Alexander, general of Greece against the Persians.

Swift and conspicuous is still a creature. Shared: goat from the west, Alexander.

Daniel 8:6

6He came to the ram that had the two horns, which I saw standing before the river, and ran on him in the fury of his power.

Arminian

He comes to the ram with two horns and runs at him in powerful wrath. Wesley: the ram—the king of Media and Persia.

Wrath against a named ram, not a modern proxy. Greece strikes Persia. The Most High still times the charge.

Reformed

Calvin: it came to the ram which had two horns—the king of the Medes and Persians—and ran against it in the ardor of its bravery. Alexander’s perseverance and celerity: Darius sat secure; the goat surrounded him by speed.

For the hearer: fury is still permitted, not final. Shared: the goat runs at the ram.

Daniel 8:7

7I saw him come close to the ram, and he was moved with anger against him, and struck the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to stand before him; but he cast him down to the ground and trampled on him. There was no one who could deliver the ram out of his hand.

Arminian

He comes close, is enraged, strikes the ram, breaks both horns, casts him down, tramples him; none can rescue. Wesley writes no note here; his nearest (v. 6): the ram—the king of Media and Persia. His next (v. 8): when Alexander was greatest, then was he broken.

Application: both horns break; the ram is trampled. Persia falls to Greece. Wesley identifies the horn as Alexander.

Reformed

Calvin: God showed the victory of Alexander. He struck the ram and broke his two horns; the ram had no power to stand; he threw him prostrate and trod him down; none could deliver. Alexander acquired the Median as well as the Persian empire.

Trampling is true and timed. Both of the ram’s horns are broken.

Daniel 8:8

8The male goat magnified himself exceedingly. When he was strong, the great horn was broken; and instead of it there came up four notable horns toward the four winds of the sky.

Arminian

The goat becomes exceedingly great; when he is strong, the great horn is broken; four notable horns toward the four winds of heaven. Wesley: was broken—when Alexander was greatest, then was he broken, and that to pieces, for he, his mother, son, brother, and all his kindred were destroyed. The four winds: Antipater got Greece; Asia was possessed by Antigonus; Ptolemy got Egypt; Seleucus had Babylon and Syria. To the east, Babylon and Syria; to the south, Egypt; to the north, Asia the less; to the west, Greece.

Broken at the height, then four. Alexander falls; four succeed.

Reformed

Calvin: when the he-goat was in his strength, the great horn was broken—Alexander at the height of prosperity, then suddenly snatched away. Four conspicuous horns: Cassander obtained Macedon; Seleucus, Syria; Antigonus, Asia; Ptolemy, Egypt. By the four winds of heaven: west, east, north, south.

Greatness does not last. One horn broken, four toward the four winds.

Daniel 8:9

9Out of one of them came out a little horn which grew exceedingly great—toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the glorious land.

Arminian

Wesley: this little horn was Antiochus Epiphanes. The south—Egypt where he besieged and took many places. The east—in Syria, Babylon, Armenia. The pleasant land—Judea, so called because of the temple and people of God in it, and the fruitfulness of it.

Wesley names Antiochus, not a license to invent a modern little horn. South, east, glorious land.

Reformed

Calvin: out of one of those four horns a little horn arose—Antiochus Epiphanes is most distinctly pointed out. Little, because no one supposed he would be king. Mighty toward the south (Egypt), the east, and the glory—Judea, the sanctuary of God.

In practice: a named tyrant in a named land. Wesley agrees: Antiochus, toward the glorious land.

Daniel 8:10

10It grew great, even to the army of the sky; and it cast down some of the army and of the stars to the ground and trampled on them.

Arminian

It grew great, even to the army of heaven; some of the army and of the stars thrown down and trampled. Wesley: the host of heaven—the church of God militant, who worship the God of heaven, who are citizens of heaven, whose names are written in heaven; and among these the priests, and champions, who were as stars shining above the rest; these he profaned and slew cruelly.

The church is thrown down, not abandoned. Host and stars are God’s people. Not a star-chart of modern politics.

Reformed

Calvin: the horn became magnificent even to the army of the heavens—without doubt the elect people of God. The Church, precious before God though trodden on earth. Some of that army and of the stars cast down and stamped: the tyrant loosed to treat the Church with contempt, as if drawing stars from heaven.

For the hearer: trampling is permitted, not final. Both traditions agree: the host is the church. God still numbers his own.

Daniel 8:11

11Yes, it magnified itself, even to the prince of the army; and it took away from him the continual burnt offering, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

Arminian

It magnified itself even against the Prince of the army; it took away the continual burnt offering, and his sanctuary was thrown down. Wesley: the prince—not only against the high-priest, but against God himself. Was cast down—he took away the use of the temple as to the holy service and sacrifices.

Wesley will later (v. 16) name Christ’s voice in this vision; here the Prince is God himself, and the high-priest is not excluded. Do not flatten. Common ground: offering taken, sanctuary hurt. The time will be limited.

Reformed

Calvin: some take the prince of the army for the high priest; that is too forced. The true sense: such arrogance that Antiochus declared war with God himself. God is the Prince of the army because he defends his Church. The perpetual sacrifice snatched away; the place of his sanctuary cast down.

The Prince is God; do not flatten him into a mere priest. God still limits what he permits.

Key contrast Both hear the little horn magnifying itself against the prince of the army, taking away the regular offering, overthrowing the sanctuary. Arminians hear Wesley: not only against the high-priest, but against God himself. Reformed readers follow Calvin: the high-priest reading is too forced; the Prince is God, who defends his Church.

Daniel 8:12

12The army was given over to it together with the continual burnt offering through disobedience. It cast down truth to the ground, and it did its pleasure and prospered.

Arminian

A host given over with the continual burnt offering because of transgression; truth thrown to the ground; it acted and prospered. Wesley: by reason of transgression—both the transgression of the priests, and of the people.

Prospering is permitted because of sin, not because God has left the temple. Shared: truth thrown down, yet the sanctuary will be restored.

Reformed

Calvin: time shall be given him—Antiochus can do nothing unless divinely permitted and limited. In sin: the Jews must feel this as the reward of their sins. He casts truth to the ground and prospers. God moderates the evil by bounding the time, and humbles the people by naming their transgression.

Given over is still given. Transgression, truth down, it prospers for a time. God limits the trampling.

Daniel 8:13

13Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, “How long will the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the army to be trodden under foot be?”

Arminian

One holy one speaking; another asks how long: the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, the sanctuary and host trampled. Wesley: one saint—that is, one holy angel. How long—how long shall Antiochus continue his vexations against the people and prevent the worship of God? This is the treading down of the sanctuary, and the host.

The question is mercy: how long, not whether. On this both agree: trampling is timed.

Reformed

Calvin: Daniel heard one holy one—an angel—and another asked the Wonderful One. Reason requires a superior glory: Christ, chief of angels, the wonderful. How long will the vision of the perpetual sacrifice and the devastating sin last? How long will sanctuary and host be trodden?

Heaven asks for the church’s sake. How long is a limit. The passage is not a rapture timetable. The sanctuary will be restored.

Key contrast Both hear a holy one ask how long the offering, the desolating transgression, and the trampling last. Arminians typically follow Wesley: one holy angel asking how long Antiochus will vex the people and prevent worship. Reformed commentators often side with Calvin: an angel inquires of Christ, the Wonderful One, chief of angels.

Daniel 8:14

14He said to me, “To two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary will be cleansed.”

Arminian

It will last for 2,300 evenings and mornings, and then the sanctuary will be cleansed. Wesley: he—that angel. Then—just so long it was, from the defection of the people, procured by Menelaus, the high-priest, to the cleansing of the sanctuary, and the re-establishment of religion among them.

Wesley counts days until cleansing, not a day-year scheme he does not use. On this both agree: the time is limited; the sanctuary is restored. God limits the trampling.

Reformed

Calvin: unto evening and morning, two thousand three hundred—not years or months; those who receive it of years and months are mistaken. Natural days: about six years and four months, from Antiochus’s first insult of the worship to the Maccabean purifying of the temple. Then the sanctuary will be justified—its rights restored.

God bounds the time; the sanctuary is restored.

Key contrast Both take 2,300 evenings and mornings as a limited span of days ending in the sanctuary’s restoration, not as a day-year scheme they do not use. Arminians follow Wesley: from the defection procured by Menelaus to the cleansing and the re-establishment of religion. Reformed interpreters hear Calvin: natural days, about six years and four months, from the first pollution to the temple’s purifying; then the sanctuary is justified. God limits the trampling; the sanctuary is restored.

Historic quotes

Voices from both camps

Older voices from both traditions on Daniel 8:1–14, agreed that God limits the trampling and the sanctuary is restored.

Arminian Notable voices

“After that—in the other vision he speaks of all the four monarchies; here only of the three first; this vision being a comment upon the first. Two horns—the kingdom of Media and Persia. And the higher—the kingdom of Persia which rose last, in Cyrus, became more eminent than that of the Medes. An he-goat—the Grecian empire. Touched not the ground—went with incredible swiftness. A horn—this was Alexander the great. Was broken—when Alexander was greatest, then was he broken, and that to pieces. A little horn—this little horn was Antiochus Epiphanes. The pleasant land—Judea, so called because of the temple and people of God in it. The host of heaven—the church of God militant. The prince—not only against the high-priest, but against God himself. By reason of transgression—both the transgression of the priests, and of the people. One saint—that is, one holy angel. How long—how long shall Antiochus continue his vexations against the people and prevent the worship of God? Then—just so long it was, from the defection of the people, procured by Menelaus, the high-priest, to the cleansing of the sanctuary, and the re-establishment of religion among them.”
John Wesley · Explanatory Notes upon the Old Testament (on Daniel 8:1–14)

Reformed Notable voices

“Daniel relates another vision, differing from the former as a part from the whole. The chief object of this vision is to prepare the faithful to bear patiently the horrible tyranny of Antiochus. The ram represents the Persian and Median empire; two horns for two empires united under one sovereignty; the Persian horn higher, raised afterwards. A he-goat came from the west: Alexander; a remarkable horn between his eyes. He struck the ram and brake his two horns. When the he-goat was in his strength, the great horn was broken; four conspicuous horns sprang up: Cassander, Seleucus, Antigonus, Ptolemy. Out of one of them a little horn: Antiochus Epiphanes is most distinctly pointed out. That horn waxed great to the host of heaven—the elect people of God—and magnified itself even to the prince of the host: God himself. The perpetual sacrifice was snatched away; the place of his sanctuary cast down. Time shall be given him: he can do nothing unless divinely permitted and limited. Unto two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings: not years or months, but days; about six years and four months; then the sanctuary shall be justified.”
John Calvin · Commentary on Daniel (on Daniel 8:1–14)

Quotations lightly abridged for length; wording follows standard English translations of the sources named.

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